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#1 Guest_cwmodels_*

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 10:10 AM

This was brought to my attention by an E2046 member and I am in disbelief when I saw this posted at E2046.

This is what is offered as a trade off for sending in your original kit for recasting:

http://www.e2046.com...rticleview/1544


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Share Kits Scheme
 
Share Kits with others

If you have some lovely kits that you would like to Share with other members in E2046 community. Please may you send them to us. You will be rewarded with benefits because of your kindness.

You can choose one of the benefits from the below:

* You will have your original kit and a copy back
* You will have your original kit and a equal amount of cash coupon
* You will have two copies of the kit back

Of course, the shipping cost will be suffered by E2046.com. Why wait? ACT NOW!


Do not send your kit in for recast. What is offered as a reward for the transaction is absolutely worthless! I'm going to break down the costs of recasting to tell you exactly why this is a BAD BARGAIN.

An original 1/8 kit usually goes for 8000yen -9000yen (that's about $75.00-$85.00)

The cost for a 1/8 recast is about $10.00

The price listed for a 1/8 recast on E2046 is usually about $30.00


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* You will have your original kit and a copy back

If you send in an original 1/8 scale kit around 8000yen and the pay off is only $10.00 (You spend $75.00 and E2046 pays less than 15% to obtain the kit from you)

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* You will have your original kit and a equal amount of cash coupon

If you send in an original 1/8 scale kit around 8000yen and the pay off is around $30.00 (the better of the 3 deals but still not a good offer at all)

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* You will have two copies of the kit back

If you send in an original 1/8 scale kit around 8000yen and the pay off is around $20.00 (and you do not get your original back! You got completely ripped off!)



No matter how you look at it the reward offered is a complete rip off! Not under these conditions should you ever consider sending in an original kit to E2046! Your original will suffer damages when it goes through casting stages. It can get scratched-up, puttied, primed, and pinned during casting stages! Any alterations from the state it came in the box will effects the VALUE of your original kits.

You do the math! See if any of this sh*t adds up! The only one that benefits in the end is Simon and his pocket!

Unless something MUCH better is offered...DON'T DO IT!!!

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 12:34 PM

Ha!  So I'm not the only one who thought that the trade in offer sounded a bit fishy.
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Your only benefit is one additional kit?  2 or 3 copies + your original sounds more fair to me.  Expecially since THEY are the ones making a profit from it in the long run.

But then again, I guess you can argue that the program are for individuals who look at it as a charity and just want to share the kit among the community.

Plus, you wouldn't have the headache to hunt down & hire mold makers & casters.
You might make a profit, but who would want to invest all that money?

Bah, still sounds fishy...

My 2 cents...

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 02:12 PM

You may also want to note that you really get no money back. You get a credit for your next purchase. Since an original 1:6 kit can go for $150-200USD on average, the gain really isn't that much.
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Posted 01 September 2004 - 02:37 PM

....well ok...it is a bad bargain...but put that aside and think of this:

I only buy original modelkits because i can't find them anywhere else. I plan on building the model for myself but before i do this i can send it to 2046 to make other people happy by getiing it recasted.

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Any alterations from the state it came in the box will effects the VALUE of your original kits.
Since i plan on building the model myself anyway, this doesn't matter, i don't buy models because of their value, i buy them cause i want to build them (i usually throw away the box  :o )
I don't think about Simon and E2046 when i send the models for recast (sure they get a huge bargain, and i do not agree with that at all) but i think about all the people who will benefit from the fact that i can afford to buy originals (which i almost never have ; ))
So think of it kinda like charity...  :)

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 06:33 PM

I think the issue is more one of what condition will your kit com back in. Will it be harmed in such a way by the recasting process that your hard work in building the product will be increased? That would be one of my concerns if I'd spent 90 bucks of my own cash on something that they're about to turn around and make that and more within the first hour of posting that the recast is 'now availible'.

That a person would care enough about the community to want to share that way is commendable but with the risk to your own purchase I'd expect a better good faith repayment especially for the money they stand to make off of a "rare" or "hard to find" kit.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 06:45 PM

Sounds like they're trying to avoid buying any kits at all. Why buy one when you can get participants to send in theirs?

I'll still get recasts, but, even those aren't guarenteed. Some of the customers have complained that they ordered, paid for but never got kits. (I'm one of them... or at least I will be in about a week.  :huh: ) I'm afraid to even order in-stock kits now. You never know if it actually IS in-stock. If there is a problem or a delay, they won't tell you. Of course we know what happens when you post an unfavourable opinion on the board... :rolleyes:
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Posted 01 September 2004 - 07:07 PM

its one thing to donate to the community, but with this deal E2046 then becomes the sole distibutor of the kit and will be keeping all the profits. to me thats not donating, sure other modelers will have a chance to get a copy but in the end E2046 has the monopoly and can charge whatever they want.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 07:24 PM

I like the idea of sending your kit in to be recasted and getting a cat back for free, but if they harm your original then its just not worth it. All I realy want to know is how much exactly are they going to have to mod your kit to get a good cast out of it? Heres something else I wonder-Are they asking you to send in non-built still new kits or do they want already built/partially built kits? If say I sent in an untouched volks phantom, are they still going to be moding it even though its still fresh and nothing wrong with it? Just somethings I'm wondering.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 08:49 PM

First of all it is stupid to call E2046's act "charity". Charity involves no money. So if it is charity then the recasts should be sold at costs. The general prices on E2046 is already inflated from any Hobby Shop listing in Hong Kong. And I definitely don't see a price cut for the recast kits already made with this deal. SO WHERE IS THE CHARITY PART?

Second, the 3rd option clearly state an uneven trade: "You will have two copies of the kit back." How in the world can 2 recast kits equal the value an original kit? RECASTS HAVE NO REAL VALUE when compared to an original. You send Simon $80.00 and he send back $20.00. You just lost $60.00!!!

Third, preparation for recasting involved getting rid of seam lines and puttying all pin holes. Other wise the recasts made will include seam lines, pin holes or any defects on the original kit. Not to mention the knife can cause scratches and parts breaking when cutting the mold open. If you ever want to resell an original kit from your collection, it will hurt the over all value. Go check Yahoo Japan and see how much less an original kit goes for if work has been done on it.

The E2046 deal is set up for naive newbies who don't have any concept of this business. E2046 is cutting a HUGE profit in this deal no matter how you play with his numbers. Someone is going to get the short end of the deal and ripped off and it is definitely NOT Simon!

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 09:50 PM

Well as a buisness it's in his best interest to NOT be the one getting shafted, but it's up to the consumer to decide if they want to get the rectal probe this "deal" suggests.

I also wonder if he's getting like 50 people wanting to send him some boring old Eva kit and not even remotely getting any worth while responses. :D

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 09:53 PM

That's wild.... half the bloody posts just disappeared!!!  :o
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Posted 01 September 2004 - 09:58 PM

TFCreate, on Sep 2 2004, 12:53 AM, said:

That's wild.... half the bloody posts just disappeared!!!  :o
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Are you sure? From what I can see all the posts in this thread are still here. Unless you are referring to something else?

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 10:03 PM

No, I can't my last 2 posts and your replies. You may want to capture the text before you close. I'm going to try this on a different computer.  :o
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Posted 01 September 2004 - 10:03 PM

We are upgrade the server with new security software. So some message may not have posted to the server.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 10:05 PM

Jeeze!!!! You scared me!!!
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